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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
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		<description>The problem with your bold claims is that you are using your extremely limited experience in programming as a basis for your argument.  In particular:

&quot;I use Firebug daily, and I’ve used the console to run code on the fly a grand total of two times – and one of them was just for the sake of trying it.&quot;

It would seem you haven&#039;t done much serious javascript debugging, or at the very least don&#039;t understand how helpful the console can be in doing so.  Don&#039;t impose your own limitations on others.  You sound absolutely ridiculous using this example as a basis for argument.

Moving on...

&quot;PHP and JavaScript can’t sandbox though, so you’d be living a fools paradise to use eval() in those places.&quot;

Again, bold claims without a true understanding of what you&#039;re talking about.  Sandboxing is not a function of any particular language.  Python doesn&#039;t have built-in sandboxing with it&#039;s eval.  Sand boxing is the act of running code in a process with limited privileges.  It is completely independent of the code being run.  What&#039;s particularly funny about your javascript comment is that the vast majority of javascript written is run within a sand box, right inside the browser.

Just a bit of advice if you plan on working as a programmer.  Stop assuming you know everything.  You&#039;ll be much more successful if you assume you know nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with your bold claims is that you are using your extremely limited experience in programming as a basis for your argument.  In particular:</p>
<p>&#8220;I use Firebug daily, and I’ve used the console to run code on the fly a grand total of two times – and one of them was just for the sake of trying it.&#8221;</p>
<p>It would seem you haven&#8217;t done much serious javascript debugging, or at the very least don&#8217;t understand how helpful the console can be in doing so.  Don&#8217;t impose your own limitations on others.  You sound absolutely ridiculous using this example as a basis for argument.</p>
<p>Moving on&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;PHP and JavaScript can’t sandbox though, so you’d be living a fools paradise to use eval() in those places.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, bold claims without a true understanding of what you&#8217;re talking about.  Sandboxing is not a function of any particular language.  Python doesn&#8217;t have built-in sandboxing with it&#8217;s eval.  Sand boxing is the act of running code in a process with limited privileges.  It is completely independent of the code being run.  What&#8217;s particularly funny about your javascript comment is that the vast majority of javascript written is run within a sand box, right inside the browser.</p>
<p>Just a bit of advice if you plan on working as a programmer.  Stop assuming you know everything.  You&#8217;ll be much more successful if you assume you know nothing.</p>
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